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Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham has declared New Mexico a “breeding safe haven” between Arizona to the west and Texas to the east. Already, she says, New Mexico’s few abortion clinics are seeing an influx of patients from outside the state’s borders. “When you are a safe haven,” she observes, “you put real stress on [the] current provider system. Lujan Grisham spoke to David Remnick about an executive order she issued – days after the Supreme Court’s decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization — to prevent the extradition of abortion providers, a request she expects to see from Texas law enforcement. Dobbs puts states at odds on one of the most contentious issues of our time. “They have now called on states to fight each other, to sue each other,” Lujan Grisham said; it’s “the most despicable and horrible aspect, frankly, of this particular decision.”